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sjc1963 Posted at 24/09/2008, 03:16
Quote by maccadog15
no there's not. there are still thousands of world scientists and
meterologists on either side of the debate. there's still no consensus on
anything.


you're behind the times.


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yes climate change is real. are we the sole cause? no.


i didn't say that we were. i had said that we were the primary cause.

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the earth is millions of years old, i think she can sort herself out.


its billions of yeas old. you're understanding is quite limited, apparently.
sjc1963 Posted at 24/09/2008, 03:17
eba, you are an idiot.
sjc1963 Posted at 24/09/2008, 03:22
brainkick, ironically enough the other possible consequence of global warming is
an ice age in some areas as glaciers melt they release colder water into the
atlantic and thus push the gulf stream further south and the stream is
responsible for moderating the weather in northern areas...
sjc1963 Posted at 24/09/2008, 03:24
time to get your tinfoil hat out, m-r-anderson....
sjc1963 Posted at 24/09/2008, 03:27
theory:

1. a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation
for a class of phenomena: einstein's theory of relativity.


gravity is only a theory as well. feel free to fall up, m-r-anderson. people who
say that "its only a theory" don't really know what a scientific theory is to
begin with and are just displaying their ignorance.

many of the arguments that creationists try to use against evolution are the
same sort that those who deny global warming use. its also like when the tobacco
companies use to get "experts" that showed that smoking cigarettes didn't cause
cancer.

of course you're never going to get a 100% consensus on anything, but there is
still enough of one that proves that global warming is real.

would you believe that there are still those who think that the earth is flat
and the center of the universe and they also claim that they can prove it and
that the scientific community is hiding this from the people.

there is no conspiracy of world domination through non-polluting. [rollseyes]
some people should up their meds. (i.e. eba)
ZapperZ Posted at 24/09/2008, 05:18
Quote by chibchakan
Quote by owlnation
regardless of the flawed position of the
filmmakers. why on
earth is this being
uploaded here now?

the documentary was made years ago, was controversial when it was broadcast and
subsequently much was disproved and retractions were made.

why is eztv allowing this to be posted now -- it's grossly out of date and
irrelevant -- as well as being tinfoil hat paranoid spam, the usual mvgroup
nonsense.

i think eztv's alliance with mvgroup is neither wise nor productive.



are your facts on global warming as flawed as your facts on this documentary?
it was not broadcast years ago, it was originally broadcast in july of 2007, it
was rebroadcast with corrections in august 2008.

no one is forcing you to download or view this show at all. there's nothing
worse than people supressing counter claims on the global warming debate. i
gather if it were a ufo documentary, you would demand it be removed because it
engages in speculation as well and may be full of false claims.

most people are smart enough to see through claims made in any documentary,
most regarless of subject matter, tend to engage in speculation. claims made in
global warming documentaries on both sides of the issue are filled with
inaccuracies and speculation. as i said, no one is forcing you to watch this
show or for that matter believe it. but trying to make it go away so others
can't watch it and make up thier own minds, is rather ignorant.
Arrg2U2 Posted at 24/09/2008, 06:03
the australian meteorological and oceanographic society summed this programme up
very nicely

"the great global warming swindle does not represent the current state of
knowledge in climate science… many of the hypotheses presented in the great
global warming swindle have been considered and rejected by due scientific
process. this documentary is far from an objective, critical examination of
climate science. instead the great global warming swindle goes to great lengths
to present outdated, incorrect or ambiguous data in such a way as to grossly
distort the true understanding of climate change science, and to support a set
of extremely controversial views."
scifi1 Posted at 24/09/2008, 07:47
heard of free speech?
Deaths Hereditary Posted at 24/09/2008, 08:52
the only reason that carbon dioxide was chosen as a scape goat was due to it's
presence being able to be linked to humans, generating guilt and in turn wealth.

what little 'evidence' there is supporting carbon dioxide as being the primary
cause of the globe's temperature flux is all specifically selected chance,
whatever correlation between the two does not prove causality of one to the
other, it just proves carefully managed 'evidence'.

a classic example would be the statement: "the average lifespan of a citizen has
a strong correlation to the number of tvs per capita." wherein it's not the tv's
causing the increase in health care, but tv's as being bi-product of wealth.
here, carbon dioxide is the tv, global warming is the life span and the real
cause / constituent causes are either unknown, or unrealised in the consensus of
public opinion.

water vapor has a much larger potential for energy retention - it makes up a
larger portion of our atmosphere, but there's only one problem - you can't
establish a link between it's being the cause and having dollars in your pocket.

so i am forced to conclude that there is some hidden agenda, whether it be as
obvious as its being a revenue source, or as others have thus far suggested
(whether they be mad-hat theories or not i don't know) some ploy to establish a
stronger global government. seeds have been planted i say, global warming's
'link' to carbon dioxide has been devised and not observed for some bodies
personal gain.
eba Posted at 24/09/2008, 09:05
Quote by sjc1963
eba, you are an idiot.


nice rebuttal

i understand the mechanisms by which carbon absorbs energy from sunlight (this
is just science) and i understand that carbon is being emitted, i hear nothing
on estimations of global emissions and the methods behind them, nothing on
the 'limits' other than that we will hit them and cause the end of the
world, nothing on how these limits are estimated and the comparisons between
human emissions and emissions due to natural activity. why don't you go scower
some research so that you can put someone like me in my place with some
references instead of just spewing what you hear on the tele, or in my lucky
case, just insulting someone?

oh wait, i don't have to if i offset my emissions by paying someone at a shop
and putting on a bumper sticker. i can forget about all that and start to
judge everyone else, because i've done my part.
Deaths Hereditary Posted at 24/09/2008, 09:26
there are much more reasonable links that can be established explaining the
globes temperature, as suggested in this video... the sun, it's a whole lot more
plausible than carbon dioxide. one has just got to be aware that it's not only
the temperature driving the movement that is global warming, a whole host of
external factors having an impact. politics, pollution in general, money etc.
hence it is only just that a cause should be picked that is much more applicable
to it's driving forces interests, yes picked - why is it that any other
correlations are ignored?, they're not as applicable. if it were the sun, what
could we as people do about it?, people need the pretense of their possession of
the power, our actions need to be able to make an impact on our problems leading
to an eventual solution. if it were the sun, there'd be no money-go-round, no
political agenda, no improvement to our awareness of pollution, which yes... is
a bad thing, it's just not causing the change in temperature.

i mean think about it, a small relative change in the rate of the sun's fusion
is equal to a large change in energy output and it has been observed and is well
known that the sun has its cycles, surely solar climate would have a much more
realised impact upon earth than a small variation in some gas as a percentage of
our atmosphere which has a relative near-negligible potential for energy
retention when compared with some of the other, more abundant constituents of
our atmosphere. hell, 'global warming' has been known by another term for the
last forever, humidity... it's effect upon perceived temperature have been
observed long before either 'global warming' or 'global cooling', this latest
craze of carbon dioxide is little more than that, a fad. the sun is the driving
force of our weather, it has a variation in reaction rates, the planet gets
heated and a larger proportion of water vapor is the result.
kinson Posted at 24/09/2008, 09:59
and to realx the tense feelings in here.. let ppl believe what they want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=escdfyzmeew&feature=related
CutThroatJake Posted at 24/09/2008, 17:27
wow talk about going off on a tangent!!
what has al gore ripping ppl off and the fact i use electricity got to do with
the fact global warming is real!!!
nuclear power is the only real answer at the moment. not very good but better
than the alternative and maybe a little more incentive to get something done
better and safer
sCifI3001 Posted at 25/09/2008, 03:45
i know it really sucks... i wanna know what did my mum just sew up?

there is no longer an answer to my question, ya just left hanging, but at least
we know it was new
freei chei Posted at 27/09/2008, 06:25
they do have a point, there is political correctness run amuck in this issue.
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