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lopkinfop Posted at 05/03/2007, 08:53
i dont know if anyone would know this as i assume it hasnt happened to any of
you, but if you get disconected from one isp are you blacklisted from the rest?
josh Posted at 05/03/2007, 10:16
Quote by lopkinfop
i dont know if anyone would know this as i assume it hasnt
happened to any of
you, but if you get disconected from one isp are you blacklisted from the
rest?


hardly. just maybe from getting internet from that same isp. switch isps and
you'll be fine.
itcdr Posted at 06/03/2007, 16:05
so if you're using encryption then more than likely the only way for nbc to know you're downloading
their show is if they are on the tracker.

a private tracker is less likely to be hit because an nbc rep would have to get an account. this might be
a stupid idea. but would it be possible for say a private tracker to require you to accept certain terms.
and if an nbc rep were to create an account and report your ip, then they would be violating those
terms, so it wouldn't hold up in court.

just trying to think outside the box. what do you think?
kurai Posted at 06/03/2007, 16:41
Quote by itcdr
so if you're using encryption then more than likely the only way
for nbc to know you're downloading their show is if they are on the tracker.

a private tracker is less likely to be hit because an nbc rep would have to
get an account. this might be a stupid idea. but would it be possible for say
a private tracker to require you to accept certain terms.
and if an nbc rep were to create an account and report your ip, then they
would be violating those terms, so it wouldn't hold up in court.

just trying to think outside the box. what do you think?

point 1: that's not what encryption in standard bittorrent protocol is used
for. it's to try and get around isp traffic shaping/filtering/throttling.
it's no use at all for trying to hide you from da man.
getting ip info from tracker/dht/pex is pretty much the only way they gather
info. to get access to isp and server logs they'd need probable cause and a
subpoena.

point 2: those agreement terms don't hold up in court. they haven't done
since the dawn of computer piracy, and they don't hold up now.
itcdr Posted at 06/03/2007, 18:17
too bad. that would be cool if you could legally keep out the mpaa from your site.

so then it sounds like peerguardian is our only defense. in that case what if the trackers implemented
pg's blacklists into their system?

that way blacklisted ip's won't even be able to connect to see other ip's. wouldn't that seriously help the
security of a tracker?
kurai Posted at 06/03/2007, 19:19
see comment above, and note the mention of "dht/pex" (distributed hash
tables/peer exchange). neither of which require connection to a tracker.
tstrong299 Posted at 06/03/2007, 19:34
being a member of about 8 private sites, it is actually easier to get caught in
one of them. on some sites, you can become a part time mod or admin and they
have access to every ip on the site. not to mention if you connect to a swarm
w/ about 1000 peers...you've hit gold in the mpaa's eyes.

those 2 people who needed tvt invites, i have them. contact me.
smokeonit Posted at 07/03/2007, 03:55
i'm a retard.
Nutmeg7 Posted at 08/03/2007, 05:03
Quote by itcdr
so then what should she do? ignore the letter, install peerguardian
and hope nbc doesn't use an ip not
blocked by pg to report ip's.

would your isp really shutdown your access for downloading tv shows aired on
free broadcasts.

any other suggestioins for protection?


switch isps. comcast & cox tend to be the most prone to send these sorts of
letters, from what i've seen. dsl providers tend to be the least likely to send
that stuff. (they don't make $ from the mpaa's content, so they're unwilling to
spend their time & $ tracking down ips for the mpaa.)

& yeah, she should definitely be using peerguardian. in the u.s., oddly, it's
legal to download stuff, but illegal to upload it. peerguardian blocks your
torrent client from sending or receiving data from ips that are known to be
associated with the mpaa, so you won't upload to those ips, so they won't have
proof you did anything illegal. of course, when the mpaa starts using a new ip,
it takes a little while for that ip to get added to your block list, so
peerguardian will not protect you 100%, but it will help a great deal.

lastly, she could just wait a while to download stuff. the mpaa's agents are
all over certain shows the day after they've been launched, but after a week or
2, well, i've never seen them, anyway. same goes for movies. don't download
'em before they're released on dvd, but if you download one that's been out on
dvd for a while, odds are no one will notice.

there's no 100% effective way to protect yourself. your best bet is to get an
isp that's unwilling to cooperate with the mpaa & riaa, but even then if you
aren't prepared for the potential legal consequences, you should be downloading.
period.

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