Scene

i don't really understand how they can really be such a closed group of
people.i mean, if the official releases primarly come on public trackers, how
exactly do you know its an actual scene release, and not some random user who
happens to post the same file using the same tag and release info, especially
if random release appears first, and looks legit upon viewing?.probably i'm
missing something, otherwise the term seems completely dubious.

i have nothing to do with the scene, but their releases are not meant for
distribution on bittorrent... so, i guess on bittorrent trackers you should
never be totally sure that what you get is from the scene. actually, media
defender and such people fake files to make them look like releases from scene
groups, or otherwise respected releasers.

not meant for bt?, then where do they appear primarly?.well i guess its true,
as long as your first and have legit file and info, anyone can upload a scene
release, regardless of where the source is even from.

they primarily, no, that's not correct - they _first_ appear on topsites. i.e.
ftp servers around the world (normally, or atleast they were in my time, based
within large corporations, universities etc where bandwidth is not an issue),
where they spread from site to site within seconds of pre.

pointless?, how exactly.i know what scene is, i don't need google or any site
to tell me.my point is unlike movie or software piracy, there's nothing
special
about ripping tv shows.cracking software, or getting access to advanced dvds
does take effort, therefore requiring a specialized group, who can tag their
release and get credit since likely know one achieved what they did yet.

but plenty of normal people have access to certain channels and ripping
capabilities,
so anyone who follows the guidlines for a group can easily upload the same
thing in their name, potentially as fast, if not faster.

but legitimacy is all that matters,a rip is a rip, regardless of source.

wow, real user friendly site eh?.well your decision to flame at me and not give
intelligable answers says alot, maybe you know i'm partially right.for one,is
n3l87 right?, this site itself only knows where releases are once its been
trickled down to the masses?.see, if it did actually communicate with the
scene, it would have first-hand knowledge of releases, instead of looking for,
assuming or guessing their real.so whos really unintelligent?.

i'm sure there "process" is pretty much what i just said, the files may be
real, but even they probably don't know the real source.

well, you can only do so much to confirm authneticity withough actually knowing
where it came from.

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that is all i shall say.

wow! you "regulars" sure are rude. i mean, this is the first post by rodgerse
that i've read so far, but damn! c'mon!! you guys do know that it takes just as
much energy to be nice as it does to be completely mean, rude, and/or childish
as y'all are being right now? do you not?

someone said that the op's topics always drag on. in that case, don't put your
energy into not answering, instead flaming, him. rather, move on, because, once
you've flamed, you've ended up putting more energy into things than you would've
if you would've just moved on.

my vote: 10 for rodgerse; *20* for everybody else!



edit: here's a tip to sum things up (in a way y'all can understand): if you
can't say something nice... stfu!!!

am i speaking your language now?

you'll always be -

you are a clueless whiner simple as that. you are so far off from
what the real deal is it isn\'t even funny. you obviously have no idea
at all how the scene works and why it works the way it does.

sceners do not think they are special you bonehead. it is true most
sceners do not want their stuff on p2p but that is because of security
reasons not because they do not want to share.

sceners work their arses off to get releases out. they do share them
in the scene. it is called trading. i will trade a cracked game
i worked on to crack for 2 weeks if you trade me a blu-ray dvd of
some movie you spent days encoding at max settings in x264 that
i want. the whole scene is driven by sharing (trading) to
other sceners for stuff that you can't get yourself.

then idiots like you want it all for free and do no work. where
are all your releases? where are the 20 hours spent a week cracking
and capping and ripping? you sir are a fucking leech and why
sceners hate p2p lamers.

now let me explain why racing is part of the scene since once again
you are so fucking clueless i just can't let everyone else think
you know what you are talking about.

races are not about deciding whose tag gets to be on the release.
that is just a side effect of the process so other sceners know
who released it and is not that important per se'. the real reason
racing occurs goes back to what i said above. trading. if you get
it out first then you get to trade first and trade for the best
stuff since no one else has what you have. they get what they want,
you get what you want. releasing something days later will get you
no trading and thus you will waste your and your afils time and bandwidth
(afils are the sites that you release on) will drop you since all you
are doing is wasting their disk space and band width with stuff no
one wants.

the top most stable and fastest sites around the world want top
releases so they can trade to other sites for stuff they want
and vice versa. what the groups get is leech access (or credits)
to the groups ftp sites. this is what makes the crackers, cappers
spend hours a night doing this stuff. i.e. access to ftp
sites to get whatever they want at 5 megs download speeds a second.
no need for p2p ever!!! and thus more secure.

furthermore, the better and faster a group releases are
the better and faster ftp servers they can get on. which means
they can spread their releases faster and win more and of course
dl stuff they want faster and have access to larger archives.

if you can't release anything tradable and are slow no ftp scene
server will want you.


now some sceners are ok with their stuff getting to p2p because
they feel everyone should have access and that the final moral
call should lay on the down loader if they dl pirate stuff
and tv shows thatare copyrighted etc...

i bend over backwards to help eztv and obviously i know
what i am talking about so you figure out what that implies.

lol

`the scene` is like any other large group of people - full of different
personality types doing things for different reasons.

sure - there are those who spend hours cracking/ripping/capping to earn their
trading creds, the whole system would die without them. then there's the
couriers who spend their lives incestuously shuttling stuff between topsites.
there are those that take real risks and are rightly concerned about security.
then there's the afil & group members who are purely in it for the fight and
fiercely resent every byte that makes it out of the closed loop system.

it's just a fact of life - for every `information wants to be free` altruist
there are ten juvenile skript-kiddiez who are in it to vent their narcissistic
personality disorders and fuck people over with their combative exclusionist
gang mentality just for the hell of it.

what's truly amazing is that the whole system works at all, and
has done for decades.

wow... that's probably the best reflection of the scene that i've read in this
entire thread!

kudos. 🙂

it's just like a story told by a group of kids....you will get 3 different
stories from 3 different kids about the same incident. the truth is always
somewhere in the middle.